Where Do You Get Feedback?
I got a post from Derek Sivers, the fellow who started CD Baby, the other day. He wanted me to give him my input on feedback. It was a blanket post and I suspect he asked thousands of folks to do it. We’d have to go to his blog site to do it, so it was obviously a good idea in terms of generating traffic. But the question was a valid one and I salute him for asking it.
Where do you get your feedback? When you create something or are in the process of creating something who and where do you go for feedback.
My first rule is to not show anyone anything until there is a fully formed something to show them. Their lack of enthusiasm could kill a good idea in its nascency, just because you couldn’t present the idea in such a way that it had any resonance for them.
For initial feedback, I always go to the classics. Songs or recordings that I think set the bar. I play my song against that song. I play my mix against the best mixes I ever heard. How do they compare? That’s the first step for me. Then I go outside for feedback.
The first thing to do regarding feedback is to recognize what you are selling. If someone is crazy for traditional folk music, you don’t want to show them a jazz tune, even though they might get it. Their feedback is going to be couched in their experience and their preferences.
I believe a live audience is perfect for feedback. If you can present your song in a professional and musical manner, then the audience will respond. Regardless of what they try to tell you and sell you, the bulk of humanity likes a good melody; likes a lyric they can relate to; likes a rhythm they can respond to; and likes it when a song sets up a mood and maintains it.
Secondly, you can try to get some of your friends to listen, or if you are involved in any songwriter clubs, in the rounds, or open mics, you can get some valuable feedback from that. But you can’t rely on that always.
I remember writing a song a while back and it seemed like everything was there, but I truly couldn’t tell if the song were any good or not. I played it for my wife. She told me it was the worst song that I ever wrote. That set me back a little, but I looked at the song and thought, no, there’s nothing wrong with the song, it must be the way that I am doing it.
So I rearranged it a little bit and then played it for a songwriter friend of mine, and asked him what he thought. He told me he couldn’t get over how I could go up the neck and hit the complicated fingering of the chord inversion I chose. Which was code to me for, “the song sucks but here’s an e for effort”.
Still I thought the song had merit and weirdly enough, I liked singing it. So I kept singing it and rearranging my guitar part, and slightly changing lyrics if I thought I could clarify something.
Then I got some fan mail regarding the album The Eternal Contradiction and the song that I was struggling with. This fellow called it the best song on the album and perhaps one of the best songs ever. My my, I thought, somebody somewhere has this wrong. Is it me?
One night, I decided to open with the song, as I had been playing it for about thirty minutes in the dressing room. The crowd cheered. And it has become the song I open up all my sets with and it seems to be consistently cheered and revered.
So I think the final answer has to do with actually owning the song before you show it to anyone. Make as certain as you can that everything is right where and how you want it to be and then present it like that.
Finally, be willing to change anything that might not be working. And you can tell. The audience drifts away and begins talking. The friend you are playing it for begins to look at his watch. There are clues. You just need to pay attention and in the final analysis, follow your guts. If you think the song is great then don’t stop working on it and performing it until everyone agrees with you, or you have irrefutable proof that the song sucks.
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Reader Comments (3)
James,
ok so here i go...
If I'm creating something based on someone elses work...such as a song and the characterzation of that song choreography costuming etc...i usually can only get feedback from an audience and in that realm I have usually been right on the money....
Writing is kind of a different thing...my adult writing (that is what I've written in the past decade or so) has become more complex more intricate...more me I'm not writing in someone else's style I've found my own tho its a never ending process for me...so I'm working on this song called "These Days"...I dont own it yet...which is very frustrating for me...i'm very hard on myself...and to refer to a previous post of yours for something of mind to be"Good Enough" means that it has to past the most critical muster...ME...after that I will record the song more than once probably...and send it out via email to friends artists(most of my friends tend to be artsy creative types) and people who dont have a stake in what my feelings might bewhich tend to be accomplished musicians...if I receive criticism from one of them whom I trust...I go back and see if there criticism is true or not that is is the song anybetter when I have made the change that they reccomend if it isnt then I open up a discussion...is it how i'm singing a line is it the accent being on the wrong word or syllable...and then after that is worked out...the ultimate test is as you stated:An audience...audiences love to be entertained...seems obvious but let me elaborate...They are very forgiving...if what you are doing is good inately they will sit back and enjoy...but if it isnt or if the audience is a tough audience which is a double edged sword(keeps you on your toes but sometimes you just cant win...at least not all of them) Anyhow if you are presenting something good they will over look mistakes that are inevitable in live performance...but if the material just isnt up to par even the most eager of audiences save for the die hard willl not suffer fools...but this you have already stated
I'm on my thrid draft of "These Days" and thought as of last night it was the final version...but then i played it and I found that it wasnt...the lyric is and the phrasing of the lyric has passages where the rhythms have to be exact both in the chord changes and the vocal delivery...there isnt room for a catch breath...I'm not sure if there is too much in those passages or if its just complicated......I think it is good...but so far since I have not played the song for anyone I have only myself...I'm recording it today or tomorrow to get a rough demo so I can find out how much of my critisms are valid and how much of the song (at least in the scope of other people) are invalid and just weigh the song down...and lucky you Mr Stanley you'll be getting that rough demo in your inbox
ok so I think I stayed sort of on topic...at least I tried my damndest
Pax
Namaste
Bobby
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